I am not a lawyer, nor do I claim to be an expert on intellectual property law. However, I have had a fair amount of exposure to the impact of international trade agreements specifically related to trademark and patent rights through the negotiation of contracts with international customers and suppliers (including Chinese, Japanese, and Russian companies) of my past employers. I have also done quite a bit of research in the area of international copyright law.

International law regarding Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) is similar to most any other international law in that it is comprised primarily of treaties, conventions, and agreements by the member states of international organizations. There is no single entity which is responsible for the administration or enforcement of international law of any type, and for the most part, the laws are only effective to the extent that the member nations administer and enforce their own national laws in compliance with the various treaties and international conventions. In essence, it amounts to an honor system, and historically, some nations have been more honorable than others.

In addition, the various agreements are at times in conflict with each other and not all nations recognize, observe, or are party to all of the agreements in any aspect of international law. Despite these inherent weaknesses in the system of international law, with the improvements in modern communication and increase in international trade, the agreements
are becoming more consistent, and in many areas, compliance is improving globally. It is far from perfect, but it is the best that we have for now.

Following is a short list of international conventions, treaties and other agreements pertaining to International Copyrights. It is not an all-inclusive list, but I believe it does include most of the major agreements. All links are to official sites of the relevant administrative organizations.

Convention Establishing the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO)
http://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/convention/index.html
NOTE: China, Japan, and Russian Federation are contracting parties to the convention.

Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works
http://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/ip/berne/index.html
NOTE: China, Japan, and Russian Federation are contracting parties to the convention.

Convention for the Protection of Producers of Phonograms Against Unauthorized Duplication of Their Phonograms http://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/ip/phonograms/index.html
NOTE: China, Japan, and Russian Federation are contracting parties to the convention.

WIPO Copyright Treaty (WCT) http://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/ip/wct/index.html
NOTE: Japan is a contracting party, China and Tussian Federation are not, but neither are Australia and UK.

Agreement between the United Nations and the World Intellectual Property Organization http://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/agreement/index.html
NOTE: China, Japan, and Russian Federation are contracting parties to the agreement.

Agreement Between the World Intellectual Property Organization and the World Trade Organization http://www.wipo.int/clea/docs/en/wo/wo030en.htm
NOTE: China, Japan, and Russian Federation are contracting parties to the agreement.

World Trade Organization: Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights (TRIPS) http://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/trips_e/trips_e.htm
NOTE: China and Japan are Member Nations, Russian Federation is an Observer on Accelerated Schedule for Accession.

So why am I posting all this? There are three reasons.

1. To provide for those members that have an interest access to the facts according to official sources of information.

2. I have personal friends, and professional acquaintances in China, Japan, and Russia. I do not want to imply that I have any influence in those countries whatsoever. But I can, and am willing to, assist any artist here on WC in contacting and/or communicating with relevant parties in those countries regarding protecting their copyrights. I will not assist or advise anyone on any legal aspects of this issue, as I am not qualified to do so. You should retain your own counsel for this. I will only assist in facilitating communication.

3. A recent thread here regarding a "Chinese ripsite" contained remarks and allegation regarding "[common] Eastern culture" and mentioned "the 'Russias', China and Japan" specifically. It was also stated that violation of copyrights "is NOT considered an offense" in those countries. I find those remarks culturally insensitive at least, personally offensive to me and many people I know in those countries, and patently false. I provided those links to prove that respect for copyrights is in fact a part of the culture, and that violations of copyright laws are in fact an offense in those countries.

I want to add here that I am neither blind, ignorant nor naive. I am very well aware that individuals in those countries have and continue today to violate copyrights and other IPR laws, and that the governments of those nations have done very little or nothing in many cases. But neither the violators nor the government comprise the culture of a country. In fact, quite often, the government of a nation is at distinct odds with the majority of its citizens and its own culture. Piracy and other copyright violations are by no means unique to "Eastern culture", either. This is a worldwide problem with blatant violations on a grand scale. To single out "[common] Eastern culture" is ridiculous as well as offensive.

There is no [common] Eastern culture. The three countries cited specifically have no more in common culturally than any other three nations picked at random from any hemisphere. There will be those that will respond by saying, "But look at how many websites in those countries offer rips and illegal wares." My response to them is, first, you're right. But those countries have made some progress in changing their laws and have committed to further change as well as better enforcement. As an example, I refer you to the most recent report of the WTO/TRIPS regarding China Legislation. http://docsonline.wto.org/gen_searchResult.asp?searchmode=advanced&c2=@meta_Symbol&c4=@Doc_Date&o4=%3E%3D&c5=@Doc_Date&o5=%3C%3D&c6=@meta_Serial_Num&c3=@meta_Title&c8=@Derestriction_Date&o8=%3E%3D&c9=@Derestriction_Date&o9=%3C%3D&q0=%28+@meta_Countries+China%29+%26+%28+@Posting_Date++%3E%3D+2004%2F01%2F01+00%3A00%3A00%29+%26+%28@Posting_Date+%3C%3D+2004%2F06%2F17+23%3A59%3A59%29&q4=&q5=&q8=&q9=&collections=&q2=&ddsday=&ddeday=&q6=&restriction_type=&q3=&subjects=&q1=TRIPS+compliance&ct=DDFEnglish&countries=China&organizations=&products=&articles=&bodies=&types=&drsday=&dreday=&meet_date=&dpsday=01%2F01%2F2004&dpeday=17%2F06%2F2004&mh=&advresult=off&multiparts=on&scndformat=off&search=Search&searchtype=advanced. An abstract of the report provided by the State Intellectual Property Office (SIPO) of the People's Republic of China which summarizes this information is available here: http://www.sipo.gov.cn/sipo_English/gftx_e/zyhd_e/t20040414_28095.htm. Of particular interest may be the section on Administrative Enforcement of Copyright. And second, I would say, do the math. Those countries collectively represent nearly one-fourth of the world population. When you take into account only those more developed nations where computer literacy and access are more prevalent, the percentage is significantly greater.

Are there serious problems with IPR in China, Russia, and Japan? Absolutely. Can the governments of those countries do more to strengthen IPR and enforce those laws against violators? No doubt. But I reemphasize that these problems are not unique to those countries, and officially or otherwise, it is not part of their culture anymore than it is part of the culture of Australia, United Kingdom, United States, or any other developed country. And it is certainly not part of a [common] Eastern culture.





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on Jun 18, 2004
Kazaa


How is that pronounced in australia?
on Jun 18, 2004
w-a-r-e-z-f-a-c-i-l-i-t-a-t-o-r....
on Jun 18, 2004
IPlural: Thank you for providing the link to that site. It is very informative, and I believe relatively unbiased. I really hope people will also read the White Paper available from the link at the top of the page. It has some very good information beyond the numbers.

A couple of points though. I never said that piracy was not common in those countries. In fact here I specifically acknowledged that it is common. You point out the 92% piracy rate for China, which is atrocious. But, correct me if I'm wrong, a piracy rate is determined by the number of unlicensed software units as a percentage of all installed software units. In China, there are only (as of 2002, the most recent figure I could find) a little over 140 million personal computers, and less than 30 million of those are registered to private owners. This is in a population of about 1.3 billion people. That means that about 1/10th of one percent of the population is involved in that piracy rating, and most of those involved are elite businesses and the government.

This is the crux of the reason I took offense to attributing piracy as common to the culture. 99.9% of the population of China have nothing to do with piracy. Piracy is very common to those very few who have access to computers. It is not common to the vast majority of the people of China.

Over 50 percent of the population of China lives on less than $2 USD per day. Computers are very expensive, and whole extended families save for them like other very poor people might save for a car here. Internet access costs about $29 USD per hour plus phone charges of about 50 cents per minute. So one hour of internet access would cost most people about 10 percent of an individuals anual income. All ISP's are owned by the government, all internet users have to be registered with the government, and the government filters/blocks thousands of websites.

Yes, Piracy is definitely a big problem in China, but only for the elite. However, even the white paper at the link you provided acknowledges that China has made some modest improvement in both it's laws and enforcement of those laws. Yes, I agree it's not enough by any means. But the point is, they are at least headed in the right direction. Everything takes a very long time to change in China.

One last comment about the link you provided, to show what I mean about piracy rates VS the population of computer users in a country. According to that white paper, even though the piracy rate for the US is the lowest in the world, the actual dollar losses due to piracy were the highest in the world. Now what does that say about our own culture?




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Boxxi: I am very sorry that I hijacked your thread. I posted there because the comment that upset me was there. In hindsight, I very much wish I had not continued jockeying back and forth with Jafo in that forum. I was upset by the remarks and by some of his responses. I think we both got carried away in the heat of the moment. hopefully he and I can sort things out between us in private. Again, I apologize to you for hijacking your thread.



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KarmaGirl: I just offered in this thread to help any artist here who asks to contact people in Russia as well as China or Japan. Guess I'll find out how difficult it is, assuming the occasion arises.

And yes, I said the same thing in my initial post here that laws are only as good as the countries' willingness to enforce them. I freely admit that the government of China lags far behind most of the rest of the world in enforcing IPR laws. But they DO have the laws and are doing more enforcement now than ever before. Both the white Paper IPlural linked to and some of the links I gave acknowledge that. At least it's a start.


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One word of advice...try NOT to use an online language translator if you can help it.

Getting your point across is hard enough without the hilarious results you get with a translator.

I wondered for a while why I got no response to my cleverly translated Russian...till I returned it to English....and then laughed till I cried.

If I can find it I'll post it here....

on Jun 18, 2004
paxx: thanks for posting. Although your approach to the topic is different than mine, on one thing we definitely agree. The problem is not unique to Eastern nations.

By the way, the Chinese government seized more than 120 million pirated videos, more than 12 million pirated software units, and nearly 200 million other pirated products last year. As I said before here, it's a start. Japan, Korea, and Australia also had some huge seizures of pirated products last year, I believe.



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Jafo, my Russian is a bit rusty, but I can still read and write it fairly well. Fortunately, as I mentioned, I have friends in each of those countries who are native speakers and are willing to help. I spent a great deal of time this morning contacting people there who might be willing to help, and so far the response has been very good. So the language barrier shouldn't be too large a problem for me. It will be tracking down the right people to talk to and then convincing them to do something which will be the challenge.


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I just got an email from a friend who teaches English at a university in China. His English is better than mine, but he likes to play with my head with exaggerated Chinese 'inscrutibility'. He says he is willing to help with translations, and then adds that he "may know a friend of a friend who may have a brother who might work in the State Intellectual Property Office."



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Rats...must be archived somewhere....but my solution was to ignore the Russian ripper and front the company he was 'skinning for', namely Opera....and they handled him from their end...
on Jun 18, 2004
I think that for the most part, dealing with the webmasters or web site owners of any sites in Russia especially will be a waste of time. The Russian mafia is very real, and has taken over a huge chunk of the piracy business from what I understand. The shadow economy of Russia provided by the mafia there has a dramatic influence on the economy, not to mention their other powers of intimidation and fear. The government may be the only hope for help there, unfortunately. And we all know how governments like to help.



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Oh...he wasn't 'mafia'...just a no-talent twit with  a transient non-understanding of English....he knew damn well what was being said....and pretended to ignore it.

He got 'found out' and all his works were pulled...

on Jun 18, 2004

Over 50 percent of the population of China lives on less than $2 USD per day. Computers are very expensive, and whole extended families save for them like other very poor people might save for a car here.

Is that right?  That doesn't seem right.  I was reading that workers in textiles make about $2.00 per hour (Compared to the US which makes about 8 times that for the same job).  The average income for the "common class" was $1,269.62.  $2.00 an hour is  $4,160 per year, so the "average" of $1,269.62 seems reasonable.  That would be over $3.00 a day

on Jun 18, 2004
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indeed...

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